Mari's Deeness

At the same time, I think he’s got to look at somebody like Spider-Man and — he would never say it to Spider-Man, he would never in a million years say to Spider-Man, “You know, kid, I have an incredible respect for you. You’re out there and you’re a real hero,” but he sure as hell thinks it. He thinks the same thing about Daredevil and he thinks the same thing about almost everybody who goes out there to be heroic, because he has never viewed himself as a hero — or, I should say never following the death of Maria and the kids.

He looks at them, and I think he acknowledges the need for heroism. He even envies it. I think there’s a piece of him that looks at it and says, “I wish I could be that man, but I’m not that man. That is not the path.” There’s a certain argument you could make that could extend to him saying, “And you guys need me to be the man that I am because it permits you to be the people you are.”